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Sandra Currie's avatar

North Americans believe that god has given us our "high standard of living" i.e. more stuff. The exploitation of other countrie's resources, the underpaid labour of immigrants, and the unpaid labour of women are invisible to their ignorance.

felicia rembrandt's avatar

The whole idea of a “self-made man” is nonsense, but men seem to need to believe that their success is attributable to no one but themselves.

Eugine Nier's avatar

You do realize that those "other countries" now also have a higher standard of living than they did before industrialization.

Gayle R's avatar

This needs to be read more widely. Have you submitted to any online magazines?

felicia rembrandt's avatar

Thank you. No I don't submit to magazines. I would also like to get more readers. How does one do that??

Eugine Nier's avatar

> But let’s imagine, for example, if those men who designed the machinery that instigated the industrial revolution 600 years ago had had to show those plans to women before they could build the engines that ended hand spinning and weaving of cloth

Well since the industrial revolution resulted in the biggest decreas in poverty and increase in living standards in world history, it's a good thing men didn't.

Leonie Zurakowsky's avatar

I don't think you're seeing the whole picture at all. It seems like you haven't read the entire article in good faith with good intentions but rather only with the limited pov of a man who is unable to comprehend that women are human, just as the author warns about.

It's shocking how many men like you there are. You read something but you simply can't understand the concepts involved because you believe a man's perspective is the only perspective. You can't be in any sense objective because you imagine you are the only object.

You can't see how many terrible things resulted from industrialization that could have been prevented if women had had a say in the matter.

It's absolutely clear that industrialization has been the downfall of many nations and that men have suffered as well but you can't even see that.

I bet you're not even ashamed of your lack of insight but rather consider it a manly trait to be striven for.

Eugine Nier's avatar

> You can't see how many terrible things resulted from industrialization that could have been prevented if women had had a say in the matter.

You have an extremely rosy view of what pre-industrial life was like.

Leonie Zurakowsky's avatar

No idea how you think that because of my comment. I was born in the 1950s in rural Canada. I have a very good idea what it was like here before industrialization became the sole goal of the world's men. I've also lived and travelled extensively in countries where industrialization doesn't consume the entire populace.

Seems it's more like YOU have a very rosy idea about what industry has done to this planet and its living things.

We'll just keep pretending that planned events like convid and other toxins are a good thing resulting from the industrialization of medicine, propaganda and the war machines.

Eugine Nier's avatar

> No idea how you think that because of my comment. I was born in the 1950s in rural Canada. I have a very good idea what it was like here before industrialization became the sole goal of the world's men.

No you don't. Even in rural Canada, you had access to many of the products of industrialization, from tractors and electricity to anti-biotics.

Heck, the only reason the North American prairie was farmable is thanks to the steel plow invented by John Deere in 1837.

Leonie Zurakowsky's avatar

Wow, you're really relentless about this industrialization! LMAO.

Go forth and industrialize yourself and stop pretending you can read minds over the internet.

In other words, FO.

Eugine Nier's avatar

Which specific claim of mine do you disagree with?

Leonie Zurakowsky's avatar

Sorry about that Felicia. I ended up having to block this utter cretin who thinks he knows what Canada was really like.

He certainly doesn't know anything about women!

Sandra Currie's avatar

Can you not imagine real progress, instead of what we've been sold?